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28 April 2009 @ 02:01 pm
Sailor Moon and Aang's Ideals  

Odd to have Sailor Moon and Aang together hmm? Well I don't mean in a pairing...although now I have to wonder if someone was brave enough to do that since I found out recently, due to dirobi that there's a Hannah Montana/Teen Titans fanfiction crossover. Yeah there's a lot of crazy things out there. But anyways, what are your guys thoughts on it? A lot of people are angry/annoyed with Aang that he couldn't bring himself to kill Ozai even if it meant the world suffering. However, Sailor Moon does the same thing when the world was in danger of Phaoroh 90 and Mistress 9--but she couldn't bring herself to kill Mistress 9 b'cuz it meant Hotaru/Sailor Saturn dying and yet NO ONE disses her on it. Instead Neptune and Uranus are dissed for being "bitches about it" and so on and so on. I don't get it. I mean why? Neptune and Uranus called Sailor Moon on how wrong it was for to risk the world for one girl and people are angry? And yet no one is angry, I think, with fans saying that Aang was wrong to risk the world's safety by sparing Ozai. So what do you guys think? Were they both wrong or what? B'cuz they were both in the same situation.
 
 
 
suroki: prinzzzzzukooooosuroki on April 29th, 2009 04:50 am (UTC)
Hmm... Well... If there was someone in danger of dying (equivalent to Hotaru) it would have made more sense for Aang not killing Ozai. I think he should have, because here you just have a man who defines evil, and nothing to lose by killing him off. But I respect Aang's decision because he's just a young boy, and of course the show's producers want to instill these pristine morals in people's hearts. XD

...Or Sailor Moon and Aang are just giant pussies.
maylene_autumn: Sokklamaylene_autumn on May 3rd, 2009 04:47 pm (UTC)
No I completely understand Aang not killing Ozai--but the fact that Michiru and Haruka are dissed by so many people b'cuz they're only pointing out Sailor Moon's naivete in trying to save one girl at the cost of the world is kinda wrong and backwards. If I make any sense at all. XD

But I guess you do point out something--Aang didn't have anyone like Hotaru to save while Sailor Moon did...hmmm.
dirobidirobi on May 5th, 2009 12:37 am (UTC)
Actually, I think that's kinda funny because Michiru and Haruka's actions were more realistic and pragmatic. If you're wondering, I find Usagi putting one girl above the world just as annoying as Aang putting Katara above the world. In that scenario, I find Usagi more ridiculous than Michiru and Haruka, because their actions make more sense. True they didn't do it in the most diplomatic manner, but considering their situation I don't blame them.

There's something to be said about people who could stay so idealist considering what Aang and Usagi go through, but if the world's at stake, it only doesn't hinder them because that's the way their fictional worlds work. I always wondered what Usagi (and recently, Aang) would do if they ever face a situation with two bad choices but no possible way of a better third option. But, um, yeah.

(This is late, yeah?)
maylene_autumn: Azula n Ursa My Immortalmaylene_autumn on May 5th, 2009 01:10 am (UTC)
I don't mind that it was late. As long as it came. Hehee.

Yeah I agree with you. I mean, I was totally rooting for Michiru and Haruka berating Usagi on her decision--going, "Heck yeah! That's right!" while everyone was saying, "WTF get over yourselves!" And I'm not saying that because I detest Usagi, it's just that I thought their points were more than valid. Everything they told her was right after all.

And grr...yeah Aang putting Katara above everyone else was kinda annoying. His other friends weren't even mentioned which pissed me off even more.

As for them getting into a "choosing between the lesser of two evils" kinda deal with no "good" option--I don't know. I can't see Aang killing ever--but I can see his Avatar State (which can never happen now since he's a fully realized Avatar) taking control of him to defend himself and accidently killing the trespasser. Usagi? I see her dying trying to figure out another way. XD

I don't know. Maybe you should write a fic about it. ^_^
maylene_autumn: Ursa n Azula Love Me (Phantom of the Opemaylene_autumn on May 5th, 2009 01:13 am (UTC)
OH one more thing. ABSOLUTELY 100 percent agree on what you said about how Aang and Usagi can stay so idealistic after the crap they go through. I mean, Aang I can understand, but Usagi? Not really. She doesn't seem the type. Besides, people who always see the good or the other way---are RARE in real life. But in manga/cartoon/anime--they're common. What the heck?
dirobidirobi on May 5th, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
I don't know what options those two would choose, but it probably won't be pretty either way.

Actually, I don't mind that these guys are idealistic as much as it seems at times that these guys can't always see that they can't always have their own way. Usagi more so, Aang doesn't come across to me as being as naive as her for some reason. It's probably because it seems to be mostly a cultural by-product for Aang, than a personal ideal, but it's probably both for him.

. . .I don't know. Something like that anyways. Anyways, what Aang did to Ozai was probably more cruel than killing him considering, while Usagi doesn't have that. Not that I can think of, anyways.

But anyways, yeah. Michiru and Haruka's way don't really work in Shoujo-land, but their reasonings made more sense even to my eleven-year-old mind at the time. Actually, I find it kinda foolish and reckless for Aang and Usagi to make those decisions they made. I mean, hello, THE WORLD?? I mean, those people won't be less miserable if the world's not right, anyways, so who're they kidding? Or maybe they just want to get EVERYONE ELSE too! That's a great idea. One person=whole populations, after all.

. . .you can kinda tell I had that bottled up, can't you?

Oh well. Living in the animated world must be interesting, at least. . .
maylene_autumn: Filipina ladymaylene_autumn on May 5th, 2009 06:07 pm (UTC)
Aang's young, and yeah he was brought up that way. But Usagi, I don't believe has any excuse. While I think Aang could never forsake his teachings, I find Usagi wanting to stick to her beliefs a little harder. I guess it's because I find myself VERY naive and yet facing life has made me realize--that I can't have things done my way--which is usually the "nice" way. Sometimes you really do have to get down and dirty.

Like when Dr. Oct told Peter Parker, "Sometimes we've gotta give up the thing we want the most to do what's right." Or something to that effect. I mean even Yengchen was like, "This isn't about YOU Aang, it's about the world. You gotta sacrifice your beliefs sometimes to do save the world." so on and so on.

However Usagi doesn't seem to face that problem at all. Her faith never wavers, while with Aang--he doesn't waver--but he knew the consequences. Usagi on the other hand doesn't even seem to acknowledge that. One of the things I love about Aang is his ideal about not giving up life--but I can't say the same thing for Usagi. She's too Mary-Sue-ish I guess. Or maybe I'm the hyprocrit.

No Usagi doesn't have Spiritbending/Energybending. Hehee. That'd be too scary. I'm glad she doesn't b'cuz it's bad enough she's the most powerful senshi but then in the 30th century she's going to be Queen of the Earth/Solar System? Ha. I don't think so. Like I said, I don't like Usagi---she's too perfect/powerful. Aang has the right to be the most powerful b'cuz he's the Avatar, but Usagi being the most powerful out of all the senshi (including Galaxia, Kakkyu, the Sailor Stars) is ridiculous.

. . .you can kinda tell I had that bottled up, can't you?

Yeah I can. Mostly because you really don't reply, via commenting, on my journal entries. ^_^ But that's okay. Let it out. It's not good to keep things like that bottled in. I totally went Zuko-bashing after the finale. XDD
(Anonymous) on May 5th, 2009 06:58 pm (UTC)
I don't know about Usagi, some people can be unbelievably obstinate, even when faced with evidence of the contrary. She might just be one of those people, she's a lot of things, and being stubborn is one of them.

Has Aang ever done something he didn't like for an outcome he wanted? I don't think he did, but maybe my brain broke. Anyways, it's something I wouldn't have minded if the writers touched on more. It's probably gonna be a big deal as he becomes more of an Avatar big-shot.

Usagi's claim to power is mostly the Ginzoushou, though, isn't it? It doesn't excuse her personality and tendency to get what she wants, but it does explain why she's so powerful. I mean, if I had the most powerful shiny rock in the universe, I'd probably be pretty powerful too. Dunno why it's in the Moon Kingdom, though, but it's manga, for you.

But anyways, Aang makes a silly choice despite the fact he knew better, and Usagi can't see that there's at least two options. They're both crazy like that. (I love Aang, I do, but that's just so STUPID. I know he's twelve and madly in love with Katara, but he's kinda of like the AVATAR, and he seems to know better anyways. GAH)

. . .yeah
dirobidirobi on May 5th, 2009 06:58 pm (UTC)
. . . .that was me. Ooops.